From the “Alex Knepper Isn’t a Pedophile” Department

Rape Loving Degenerate Alex Knepper

Alex Knepper was, for a short time, a darling of the libertarian right even though he was a rape defending deviant. He is still quite popular with the Frum Forum crowd (like asinine hack and creepy twitterer John Gaurdiano) who at one point defended Knepper by claiming that supporting gay rights meant you had to support pedophilia.

Incoherence aside, Knepper supporters to this day claim that there is no evidence that Knepper is a sexually dysfunctional pervert who attempts to meet teens online for sex – even though he has a public history of being just that. I still get the occasional message that I “could get sued” for implying he shouldn’t be aloud around children.

Of course I’ve yet to hear from any lawyers.

Meanwhile Knepper has been carrying on as ever. Someone sent me a link to his Facebook page where I found this “gift” posted to his wall by a friend of his:

Disturbing

For those of you who don’t have the stomach to enlarge it, that’s Justin Bieber’s head (and arms?) photoshoped onto a body that looks like a 10-year-old girl’s. The belly shirt and bikini briefs make it extra disturbing, and obvious that it’s supposed to be titillating.

The picture was posted by Jenna Line. She’s a friend of Knepper’s who wrote a defense of him claiming that she knows Alex didn’t mean to imply rape was acceptable in an essay where he claimed women who were date raped were asking for it. She clearly hasn’t read this little tidbit by her buddy which he posted in the comments of Frum Forum:

No way. Rape is a sex crime. Power cannot be divorced from sexuality — and domination can be an incredibly erotic act. This is where people will usually bring up the fact that some freak cases happen where eighty-year-olds are raped — but it’s not an accident that 16-19-year-olds are the most-commonly-raped subset of women. It’s the unwillingness to surrender on the part of the woman being raped that makes the crime so appalling — as you put it: it’s the lack of agency.

Which as I pointed out before means Knepper thinks that the true horror of rape is not the rape itself, but the inability of the woman to give in to it.

When I saw his page, Knepper had been active so clearly he’d seen it and hadn’t bothered to take this bit of child pseudo-porn down. It is also odd that friends of his would think that he wanted disgusting pictures like this if they didn’t know he was attracted to children. But you know, it’s not like just because your friends know you’d like to see Justin Bieber’s head on a scantily clad child’s body it’s fair to think you’re a pervert.

Comments

67 Responses to “From the “Alex Knepper Isn’t a Pedophile” Department”

  1. Ajax the Great on November 18th, 2010 9:26 pm

    What a sicko. He gives all libertarians a bad name.

  2. Jenna Line on November 19th, 2010 1:37 am

    Obviously as a friend of Alex’s (we’ve known each other for 5+ years), I have a bit of a personal bias…..

    But like seriously, can you guys stop calling him a pedophile? It’s really getting annoying and is considerably libelous cyber-bullying.

    Okay so, he finds younger guys attractive,
    BUT these are sixteen year olds (which is the age of consent in Maryland) not 12-year olds. Alex is 20-years old, that’s a four year age difference.

    What he supports is the defense of so-called “pedophiles” in the occasional case where a 15-year old girl (who looks much older than she is) lies to an 18-year old male, telling him that she’s like 18 or something, and consensually engages in sexual activities unbeknownst to him that she’s really 15. Somehow mommy finds out, becomes angry, and takes legal action resulting in the guy going to jail, being placed on the sex offender list, and essentially having his life ruined. Clearly, the young male in this scenario is not a child molester. I don’t see how this is so mind-boggling?

    Regarding Alex’s date rape article…he was, once again, pointing out the very rare instance where regretted drunk sex sometimes results in a girl crying date rape. It happens. But I think what Knepper fails to understand is how rare this occurs.

    Alex and I, although the best of friends, don’t really agree much when it comes to political, social, and economic issues. His anti-psychiatry ramblings, in particular, really irritates me since psychology is my field of expertise, but whatever, he’s entitled to his own opinions.

    Internet stalking Alex in order to dig up trash on him and present information in a misleading way claiming that he’s a pedophile is just downright cruel.

    If you bothered to read any of his rebuttals, you would know that he joined Gay Teen Forum years ago when he was just coming out in order to gain support. Overtime, he made online friends in which they naturally developed inside jokes. Some of the comments may very well seem disturbing to the outsider, but it’s really nothing more than the teeheehe sex jokes you made when you were going through puberty.

    I, as you probably know from my Associated Content, am open about my battle with an eating disorder. Laughing about my illness is similarly as disturbing as people making highly inappropriate sex jokes. You probably wouldn’t find it very funny to sit around and joke about the various times I’ve eaten an entire half gallon of ice cream with my fingers, rushed to the nearest gas station to purge since their toilets don’t clog as easily as mine, and then bought another half gallon of the same flavor of ice cream to replace the old one so my parents wouldn’t find out. Joking about this kind of insanity within the recovery subculture makes oddly provides a sense of comfort. From an outside perspective, it probably sounds incredibly sick.

    The Justin Bieber image I posted on his Facebook was (obviously) a joke in response to the nonsensical propaganda that has recently surfaced claiming that he’s a pedophile. Sure, he’s publicly claimed to find Bieber attractive in addition to his music, but again, they aren’t that far off in age.

  3. Someone on November 19th, 2010 2:10 am

    What does this have to do with Greenville, South Carolina?

  4. Rob Taylor on November 19th, 2010 2:17 am

    Jenna –

    A) It’s not libelous and certainly not cyber bullying. Grow up.

    B) He has never said he was only attracted to 16-year-olds, but young guys. He will remain so when he’s 25. And 35. And 45. Will it still be OK then?

    c) The picture you posted on his wall was designed to make Justin Bieber look younger than 16 – much younger so even you (as his so-called friend) know he’s some sort of pervert.

    D) Your whole scenario about statutory rape is ludicrous. In the first place it puts forward that parents should let adults bang their kids just because the adult is “only 18″ but surely if some dude was banging your daughter you’d have the right to stop him if she was not yet 18.

    But more importantly that is not what Knepper is saying. He got famous claiming women who got raped had it coming, he trolls a gay teen forum for sex partners and I’ve seen the screen shots – even some of them call him a pedophile. In fact it was those same creeped out kids who alerted us to his behavior.
    If Alex has such great relations with children in a teen forum why isn’t he acting as their mentor instead of hitting on them and why did they contact us to complain?

    If a 20 year old was hanging around a high school looking for sex would you think that was OK too?

    E) I could give a shit that you’re his best friend. Lots of perverts have skanks that hang around them. I could give a shit about your eating disorder. You sent some cretin spank material and while you think it’s funny, thousands of children who have pictures like that taken of them so that cretin can jerk off to them probably don’t.

    F) You don’t see a difference between a 20-year-old and someone going through puberty? Interesting. But since you bring it up when I hit puberty I started liking girls, by the time I was 20 I liked adults. Since you are a psych major why don’t you explain why Knepper, who was open about a having a diaper fetish and wrote several essays that portrayed women as evil seducers who cry rape and deserved to be brutalized and claims that domination is an essential part of sex is only attracted to males with no manly characteristics.

    Here’s a hint – it involves trauma and sadism.

    But we can armchair analyze all day. Let’s move on

    G) You claim joking is part of a recovery strategy so does that mean Knepper is in some sort of recovery?

    And finally I have read Knepper’s rebuttals. Alex himself knows that because we first interacted on the one where he put the bad mouth on m wife after she wrote a piece about being a rape survivor. In that exchange he also said women have it coming.

    Listen kid, I’m a crime blogger. Alex Knepper’s claim to fame is writing an essay where he defended rapists and he’s made other claims about sexual exploitation that are controversial. If Knepper didn’t want people to be all abuzz about that he wouldn’t have done it.

    I see lots of chick like you on this blog. Girlfriends and wives of some scumbag who show up and blurt out something asinine like “only God can judge” and I’ll tell you what I tell them.

    Grow up.

  5. Rob Taylor on November 19th, 2010 2:20 am

    Someone –

    Like most crime blogs I cover lots of interesting cases and figures related to crime. Kneeper is an important figure in the debate over child exploitation (he’s for it) so we cover it.

    Also, the Internet makes it all the way to Greenville County and since Knepper’s mostly on the web I’m betting locals know of him.

  6. Alex Knepper on November 19th, 2010 3:44 am

    I posted this to my Facebook out of amusement, which is how Jenna found this. (She’s probably one of about seven people who will read this article.) I’ve asked her not to actually post here — pedophile-panic vigilantes like you don’t need to be given any attention — so don’t expect a reply from her. I’m bothering to reply only because you’re weirdly obsessed with me and need to be given a talking-to.

    Just so you know: You’re the kind of person who makes fathers afraid to hold their daughters’ hands in public, the kind of person who ruined the lives of innocent people during the ‘Satanic ritual abuse’ hoax of the late 80s. You life-ruiners are out to earn your Good-Guy Badges by harassing and destroying the reputations of anyone (even someone like me, barely older than Justin Bieber himself) attracted to anyone under the age of 18. Your types are scaring the living shit out of everyone and making it impossible to have a rational conversation about the sexuality of minors. Anyone who thinks that a 20-year-old attracted to a 16-year-old is a pervert is mind-bogglingly insane. I find it difficult to believe that you even buy your own bullshit, in fact. You cannot honestly believe that the picture is photoshopped from anything but the body of an adult underwear model. So with all due respect, leave Jenna the fuck alone.

    PS — Of course it’s libel. You have explicitly written several times that I’m a ‘pedophile’; ie; attracted to pre-pubescent children. That’s absolutely, 100% libelous and most definitely legally actionable. Oh yes, I’ve spoken with lawyers — and dozens — dozens! — of friends and colleagues have urged me to sue. The reason I’m not pushing forward with it is because I don’t want my family to get dragged through a legal mess. They deserve better, I deserve better, and you and your bitch wife don’t deserve that kind of attention.

  7. Alex Knepper on November 19th, 2010 3:49 am

    “Your whole scenario about statutory rape is ludicrous.”

    Just so you know — Not so much. Here’s the results of the pedophile panic you help perpetuate:

    h++p://www.gadgetell.com/tech/comment/sexting-can-label-your-teen-a-sex-offender/

    h++p://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20001082-504083.html

    h++p://articles.cnn.com/2009-04-07/justice/sexting.busts_1_phillip-alpert-offender-list-offender-registry?_s=PM:CRIME

    “Teen Gets 10 Years for Oral Sex with a Girl” — h++p://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/LegalCenter/story?id=1693362&page=1 Edit Stay off Wikipedia – The victim in the Wilson case said she was forced and the school paid her damages. Sexting laws are about producing child porn – which is what is going on. Your view is that as long as kids are producing nothing should be done. Sexting has nothing to do with adults prey on children.

  8. John Rolls on November 19th, 2010 3:52 am

    This is pathetic. Don’t you wannabe investigators have anything better to do in your moms’ Greenville basements with your miserable welfare-funded existences than to stalk gay libertarians all day and accuse them of pedophilia?

    This is cyber-bullying, and ridiculous. You’re upset that not all gays are good little idiot-Democrats. Well, newsflash: some people have brainstems enough to think independently.

    Now put down that last piece of fried chicken, clean off your grease-covered keyboards, and go find a job. I hear Wal-Mart is hiring the latest in inbred cyber-nerds.

  9. John on November 19th, 2010 7:03 am

    If my young son ever has to come out of the closet I hope he does it far away from Knepper. Knepper in his own words would fantasize about 16 year olds (and graphically about younger boys and has posted pictures of boys who are clearly not even sixteen) and wants to lower the age of consent (which in his state is 16). I find it amusing that any reasonable would not see this as a threat or at least as someone that is clearly not right. All the gay friends (and straight friends) that I have shown the original articles (accusing him of perversion) have agreed with the article based on Knepper’s own words. The fact that he continues crying “libel” while at the same time trolling Google for every article written about him but does nothing to defend himself except to be a smart ass is very evident of the kind of person you are dealing with.

    The fact that his friends have to come on a website and translate his clearly written words is just more evident of the weak ground he stands on. But this is all really just a political attack because he made bad on Ann Coulter and you sir (the blogger) are just a low life piece of shit highlighting the man’s own word (which obviously don’t stand much on their own if he needs hag to explain them).

    Funny enough most of the articles defending Alex leave out the majority of what Alex actually said.

  10. Jenna Line on November 19th, 2010 12:04 pm

    Alex did indeed discourage me from responding and he probably won’t like that I’m responding again, but I have zero tolerance for name-calling. How dare you call me a “skank” who needs to “grow up.” And umm, I don’t think that “only God can judge.”

    Look…I don’t know what kind of friendship you think Alex and I have, but like everyone else, we have our own inside jokes. Making light of the horrific cyber-bullying that happened to him is perfectly healthy. That’s why I used the example of joking about my eating disorder. Alex is in recovery from being the target of defamation of character. What happened to him was utmost damaging and hurtful.

    I am sorry to hear that your wife was raped and I hope she is recovering from the trauma. When I was raped, Alex was there to support me and even to this day when I experience PTSD symptoms, I am comfortable discussing it with him. Knowing the details of what happened to me, he never accused me of being at fault because I had been drinking that night.

    The article he wrote for the AU Eagle back in March was poorly written and Alex admits to that. His choice of words was incredibly harsh and yes, I was offended. But when I confronted him about it, I found out what he meant. Surely it’s pathetic that one of his friends had to come out to defend and explain where he was going with the argument.

    Alex’s primary goal is to promote intellectual debate regarding the grey areas of social policy, just like the scenario I presented earlier. It’s not at all ludicrous. Many parents are infuriated at the idea of their teenager having consensual sex so if they can take some type of legal action, they will.

    The thing is, American society views teenage sex as deviant whereas the rest of the world thinks it’s perfectly normal for teens to have sex. When it comes down to it, one’s readiness to have sex is an individual experience. Some 16-year olds feel ready whereas for me, I wasn’t ready until my early 20s. It’s different for everyone. American society doesn’t seem to acknowledge and respect this. And no, I’m not implying that it’s okay for 12-year olds to have sex.

    Similarly, in other cultures, men don’t fear holding their daughter’s hand in public because they aren’t so fear driven like we are here in the States. Pedophilia undoubtedly exists and it’s absolutely horrifying when these types of fetishes are acted upon so parents’ definitely need to watch out for their children. However, being overly concerned about it leads to falsified claims of someone being a pedophile.

    Honestly, I think American society is going to hell because it’s becoming increasingly acceptable to sacrifice individual liberties for security. Look at the airports for example where full body strip searches have been implemented. Yeah, September 11th happened and we should definitely be concerned, but seriously, if someone wants to hijack a plane, they will find a way. Like, it’s commonplace for psychiatric hospitals to do strip searches upon admission and periodically throughout inpatient treatment, but it is still easy to sneak objects that you can harm yourself with. For example, when I was on Sheppard Pratt’s eating disorder unit, I was placed on suicide observation and stripped naked three times a day. Yet, I still managed to hoard plastic knives and cut myself in the bathroom (I know that sounds sick, but I was in a pretty bad place at the time so please don’t judge). A lot of the enhanced security is essentially counterproductive because I admit, I got a huge adrenaline rush when I got around the system. My point is that increased worry and panic can backfire.

    Since you’re an expert in crime, you’re obviously more educated on these matters and I’m interested in your perspective. So is crime really going up or are we just becoming fearful because we’re living in an age of information where we hear more and more about criminal activities? Keep in mind that our population continues to expand. Sorry to go off on the tangent, but I would like your input. I just personally find it ridiculous where we’ve gotten to the point of finding it acceptable to surgically place a radio frequency identification chip in our kids.

    Getting back to Alex Knepper…..
    Certainly making false claims that one is a “pedophile” constitutes libel.

    What kind of logic says that he will still find 16-year olds attractive when he’s 25, 35, 45? That doesn’t make any sense. Do you still find the same age group attractive when you were 20 years old? I think not. And I don’t know any young male who isn’t somewhat perverted.

  11. Rob Taylor on November 19th, 2010 4:37 pm

    If it’s libel sue me. If you think being attrcted to “chilfs” is normal just say it. If you think people should just ignore sex crimes make that case but stop pretending that Alex Knepper is not a degenerate. Stop pretending he’s “misunderstood” and actually would never do anything wrong. He posted a sex dream he had of a 15-year-old on the gay teen forum where he knew the 15-year-old would see it. But wait, somewhere the statutory age is 15 so that’s OK to, right?

    The statutory age is 12 in Mexico – is it OK to bang 12-year-olds?

    You’re a liar, and so’s knepper. Also your friends “fried chicken and welfare” comments illustrate you’re all probably racists. That makes sense since in reality you’re all simply bad people – not “free thinkers” or libertarians – and you support Knepper not because he’s right but because he’ll support you when you’re caught doing gods only know what.

    And stay off the Alex Jones sites. No one here or in any mainstream outlet has promoted “chipping” children surgically.

  12. David Swindle on November 19th, 2010 5:07 pm

    Libel? Dream on.

    We had a lawyer review our post for libel. And of course his conclusion was that there’s nothing libelous about it. Dubbing Knepper a pedophile is an entirely legitimate analysis of his own words which he admits to writing. For something to be libel you have to prove that the person who wrote it actually knew that it was untrue and they published it anyway (or that they were reckless and didn’t bother to research what they were claiming) — really hard to do which is why there are so few libel cases and even fewer successful ones.

    If Knepper actually had a shot at winning a libel suit he would’ve filed one by now.

    And this BS about not wanting to “put his family through a lawsuit” is a joke. He’s almost 21 years old. The reality that he doesn’t want to admit is that no libel lawyer with half a brain would take his case.

  13. David Swindle on November 19th, 2010 5:35 pm

    Jenna:
    “What kind of logic says that he will still find 16-year olds attractive when he’s 25, 35, 45? That doesn’t make any sense. Do you still find the same age group attractive when you were 20 years old? I think not.”

    Yes. When I was 20 years old I was interested in adult women. Most men are attracted to and interested in pursuing ADULT women or men. Who a man is physically attracted to at 20 isn’t going to change when he’s 40 or 60. Knepper is always going to be attracted to the teenage Justin Bieber (except in 20 years when Bieber no longer looks like a child but by then there will be other pop stars for him to lust after.)

    I’ll say this with some confidence: the only people who have any interest in getting age of consent lowered are people who want to have sex with children. What rational reason could one have for wanting to make it legal for adults to have sex with 12, 13, 14 year-olds? (Other than the obvious one: so they can engage in it themselves.)

  14. Jenna Line on November 19th, 2010 6:10 pm

    What on Earth are you talking about? I’m definitely not a liar; I’m just providing some clarity based on the Alex Knepper I know. I am not, as you imply, supporting him because he’ll support me when I’m caught doing God only knows what. And quite honestly, I’m really offended that you’ve come to the illogical conclusion that I am somehow a “bad” person. You don’t even know me.

    But I am done arguing in defense of Knepper. There is nothing I can say or do to change your perspective because you’ve already preemptively decided that he’s a pedophile and are closed to any further exploration.

    Just please do not start hating on me when you know nothing about me. You’ve already said that I’m a “skank” and now a “racist” (because some of his friends demonstrate such beliefs). Don’t dare play the guilty by association card on me. I don’t even know many of his friends except the ones that we went to high school with and a few I met while visiting AU. And I believe a lot of the people that post on his Facebook consist of people who randomly add him.

    I’m probably one of the most open-minded people you will ever meet!
    I love diversity and pride myself in my personal endeavors to explore as many cultures throughout my life time. The only thing I’m opposed to is other peoples’ intolerance like anti-Semitism and religious radicals who are out trying to proselytize non-believers. Regarding welfare, oh gosh, if you knew anything about me, you would know that I’m a huge advocate for helping out those in poverty because let’s face it, many people are to a degree powerless over their financial situation. We are undeniably born into some type of caste, so if you’re born homeless, it’s going to be indescribably difficult to climb the social ladder. Then there are those who have serious mental illness and cannot work, a population that I obviously can empathize with.

    Just because I’m friends with Knepper does not mean that I share similar political, economic, and social beliefs. Quite the contrary, actually; I disagree with him on several things. And who said I’m a Libertarian? I’m ridiculously liberal socially and moderately liberal economically. I suppose that would make me a Democrat, but I prefer not to subscribe to a particular political party because my views are changing all the time.

    And one last thing…why did you delete Ajax the Great’s comment saying he agrees with me?

  15. Rob Taylor on November 19th, 2010 6:17 pm

    Still lying Jenna?

    Since I’m Bi-racial a comment about how I’m eating fried chiken and on welfare is clearly a racist attack, and it’s coming from another one of your awesome friends. Claim that you support welfare doesn’t make it less racist to put forward that I’m eating fried chicken while on welfare – it makes it more racist. But you are just about smart enough to know that.

    How is it illogical to assume a woman who is friends with a man who has claimed MULTIPLE TIMES that women getting raped is either their fault or no big deal is a bad person? How is it illogical to assume that an adult who thinks banging a teenager is not exploitative as long as the hillbilly state it’s done n has a barbaric AOC is a bad person?

    Ajax gets deleted because he’s a stoner who I like to poke at. But in this case he’s siding with you just to get at me but because of the subject i don’t want some loser swept up in the dragnet. You know, may some of us “evil” child anit-pedophiles will see him making these comments and get the wrong idea.

    As an aside, are you really saying disgust with sexual exploitation of children is the same as anti-Semitism? Are you kidding?

  16. Jenna Line on November 19th, 2010 6:39 pm

    What part of DO NOT JUDGE ME BASED ON MY FRIENDS can you not understand?

    Seriously.

    Please discontinue dragging me into this. It’s completely unnecessary and hurtful, especially since it’s abundantly clear that I’m strongly opposed to the exploitation of children. I’ve been in group therapy for PTSD and it’s so awful and heartbreaking to hear child molestation stories.

    And I don’t care what Alex believes or does, as long as he’s not harming anyone (which I know he’s not). If he was, I would immediately sever ties with him. Our friendship is clearly not based upon our viewpoints, but that’s the beauty of our relationship, we can get passed our differences.

    Just leave me the fuck alone.

  17. Rob Taylor on November 19th, 2010 7:09 pm

    How am I dragging you into it if you keep coming here to comment?

    And I suppose you think an adult exploiting vulnerable teens for sex is harmless … as long as the AOC is low enough.

    You really are a lowlife.

  18. Jenna Line on November 19th, 2010 8:05 pm

    I initially commented because my name was mentioned in the original article and I am just sick and tired of seeing my friend artificially portrayed as some sort of pedophile. I continued replying because rather than engaging in constructive intellectual discussion, you resorted to immaturely bully me through the act of hurtful name-calling, the most recent being a “lowlife.” You then proceeded to distort my arguments in such a way to imply that Alex and my beliefs are one in the same when I’ve told you relentlessly that I do not agree with him on several things.

  19. Rob Taylor on November 19th, 2010 8:35 pm

    But you don’t disagree that it’s acceptable for adults to sexually exploit children. You have already said that.

    He is portraying himself as a pedophile. In fact in about a half hour I will have a post up that includes him telling a 14-year-old to “prove” to him what size penis he is. But that’s OK right?

    You know there’s something wrong with your friend and rather than get him help you want the world to conform to his distorted worldview where exploiting children for sex is no big deal. That’s not friendship -it’s enabling.

  20. A Message to Me and My “Bitch Wife” From Alex Knepper and Friends (With Extra Racism) : Greenville Dragnet on November 19th, 2010 8:47 pm

    [...] Alex Knepper and his clan (or should I say Klan) of fellow scumbags are very upset about me blogging about their “jokes” involving manufacturing just this side of legal spank mater… I thought I’d give a little time to Alex Knepper’s [...]

  21. John on November 19th, 2010 8:59 pm

    Exploitation is exploitation is exploitation. A picture of two naked boys posing hugging each other (the one alex posted on the forum) was more than likely taken by an adult. I guess it’s okay because they were young teenagers and the person taking the pictures was probably a young adult close to the age of the boys. And of course everyone that has that image is also close to those boy’s age making the picture (and others like it) completely acceptable and not supporting the exploitation of young gay male children.

    lol

    This is all too much……some people just can’t admit when they have been licked.

  22. Rob Taylor on November 19th, 2010 9:10 pm

    They’re too invested to admit they’re wrong and too young to not be invested in being right.

  23. Ajax the Great on November 19th, 2010 9:36 pm

    Just curious Rob, where exactly would you draw the line?

  24. Ajax the Great on November 19th, 2010 9:48 pm

    “Ajax gets deleted because he’s a stoner who I like to poke at. But in this case he’s siding with you just to get at me but because of the subject i don’t want some loser swept up in the dragnet.”

    Hey, that’s Mr. Stoner to you, buddy. Actually I barely even do the stuff anymore, so I’m hardly a stoner by any reasonable standard. And I’m not siding with her about the topic of Alex, I just felt like commenting on how paranoid our society has become in general. My comment actually had little if anything to do with Alex.

  25. Rob Taylor on November 19th, 2010 9:49 pm

    For me, if I wasn’t married I guess I’d look for someone around my age. The line is where a relationship would develop naturally. 18 is the age when a kid (hopefully) finishes high school and can join the military so that should be the line when it’s up to them to determine who they’re having sex with.

    Which doesn’t mean nailing 18-year-olds is right. You’re still taking advantage. But at that point they can begin to live adult lives.

  26. Rob Taylor on November 19th, 2010 9:52 pm

    As for the comments Knepper is eventually going to end up in trouble and you don’t need to get linked to him online. Leave this alone, you’ve got a future ahead of you and don’t need to have it linked to supporting someone that ends up in the news for the wrong reason.

    Pick your battles.

  27. Ajax the Great on November 19th, 2010 9:56 pm

    Good point Rob. I guess its best for me to leave this one alone.

  28. Alex Knepper on November 19th, 2010 10:01 pm

    “What rational reason could one have for wanting to make it legal for adults to have sex with 12, 13, 14 year-olds?”

    Er, here’s another lie: I’m on record multiple times as saying that I think that 15-16 is an appropriate age range for age-of-consent laws. And, uh, 16 happens to be what it is where I live. Sooooooooooooo…

  29. Alex Knepper on November 19th, 2010 10:03 pm

    “Which doesn’t mean nailing 18-year-olds is right.”

    You have a problem with having sex with EIGHTEEN-YEAR-OLDS, too???

    Lurkers: Please take a look at that and get a taste of what you are dealing with. The man thinks that eighteen-year-olds are children!

    I’m 20! How much longer do we keep pushing your insane age boundaries before having sex with ME is exploitative?

  30. Rob Taylor on November 19th, 2010 10:08 pm

    Nice try Alex but what I said is that a 39-year-old having sex with a 18-year-old is taking advantage. But nice attempt to distract from that other post where you’re caught asking a 14 or 15-year-old to “prove” that his penis is average size.

    Pervert.

  31. Trish Deneen on November 19th, 2010 10:18 pm

    I have a question for Jenna. You state that Alex was very helpful to you regarding PTSD. Was that before or after he wrote the piece for News Real Blog stating that rape victims shouldn’t use the word survivor or that it’s those evil feminists who say rape is a traumatic event? Does he know that the word ‘traumatic’ is contained in PTSD? What a great guy eh? Is it just his friends he supports then? Because he certainly doesn’t seem to take the effects of rape seriously for others.

    If you truly do suffer from PTSD and understand the mechanics of it, then you should know how common it is for survivors to attract abusers into their lives. I hope you wake up soon.

  32. Alex Knepper on November 19th, 2010 10:26 pm

    @Rob — Well, we can discuss that in the other thread. But whether that kind of sex is “exploitative” depends upon the individual. There’s no “magic age” when a person is ready for sex — 15, 18, 21, 24 — it really depends upon the individual. Jenna says that for her, it was her mid-twenties, for instance. I feel like for me it was more like my early teens. You’re trying to do the impossible, which is: draw a bright moral line around what is and isn’t appropriate at a specifically-demarcated line. The truth is that, past puberty — which is the obvious threshold — it’s really something that varies with each individual.

    @Trish — It’s because I take rape seriously that I fight the efforts of people like you to continually expand the definition. What happened to Jenna was real rape. None of this “date rape” horseshit.

  33. Trish Deneen on November 19th, 2010 10:32 pm

    Alex says – “None of this “date rape” horseshit.”

    So date rape is horseshit? And you think the rest of the world is crazy?

    Jenna, run, run very fast.

  34. Rob Taylor on November 19th, 2010 10:38 pm

    So Alex you’re saying that if a girl hit puberty at 9 and is “ready” for sex at 11 there’s nothing wrong with banging her? Doesn’t that basically prove that what I’m saying about you is right – you think teens should be available for sex by people like you? Degenerates and the emotional stunted?

  35. Alex Knepper on November 19th, 2010 10:45 pm

    “So Alex you’re saying that if a girl hit puberty at 9 and is “ready” for sex at 11 there’s nothing wrong with banging her? Doesn’t that basically prove that what I’m saying about you is right – you think teens should be available for sex by people like you? Degenerates and the emotional stunted?”

    Who the hell hits puberty at 9?

  36. Rob Taylor on November 19th, 2010 10:54 pm

    Plenty. There was just an article in Aug about 2nd graders hitting puberty in three major metros.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38600414/ns/health-kids_and_parenting

    So that being the case is it exploitative to have sex with a child who’s hit puberty. Normal people say it is, because exploitation has nothing to do with biological desire. Perverts who think sadism is sexy don’t, because children are emotionally and psychologically undeveloped, and thus easy to manipulate. That’s why it’s wrong.

    Good night.

  37. John Rolls on November 19th, 2010 10:56 pm

    I think it’s racist to assume that I was referring to any specific demographic with regards to my statements about “fried chicken and welfare.” Lesson of the day for sub-intellect career-less bloggers: It’s called hyperbole (Hi-per-boe-lee).

  38. Rob Taylor on November 19th, 2010 10:58 pm

    You’re so clever. You’ve convinced everyone that you’re not a racist. Well done.

  39. Alex Knepper on November 19th, 2010 11:05 pm

    “because children are emotionally and psychologically undeveloped”

    Um…I’ve already made it quite clear that emotional and psychological development are important, too, given that I mentioned that some people aren’t really “ready” for sex until their early 20s. Are you really that fucking stupid or do you just like to twist people’s words around?

  40. Rob Taylor on November 19th, 2010 11:26 pm

    No what you claim is that some kids are just as mature as adults – which is a grooming tactic people use to get into kids pants.

    No child is as mature as an adult. Some adults (like you) may have not developed past a certain stage but that’s completely different.

  41. DodiaFae on November 19th, 2010 11:37 pm

    Knepper is taking a page from Whoopi Goldberg’s book now… Why don’t you just say it, Alex? Come on, you can do it… say “it’s not rape-rape.”

    So, if a woman goes on a date with a guy and he forces himself on her, it’s not rape.

    Jenna, nice people you hang out with.

  42. DodiaFae on November 19th, 2010 11:52 pm

    You’re the kind of person who makes fathers afraid to hold their daughters’ hands in public

    Odd… None of the fathers I know are afraid to hold their children’s hands in public (daughters or sons). It must have something to do with them not being perverts.

  43. Rob Taylor on November 19th, 2010 11:57 pm

    Hi-Yo!!!!! That one slipped by me. Nice.

  44. David Swindle on November 20th, 2010 12:19 am

    And he finally responds to me directly. Taken you long enough, Alex.

    “”What rational reason could one have for wanting to make it legal for adults to have sex with 12, 13, 14 year-olds?”
    Er, here’s another lie: I’m on record multiple times as saying that I think that 15-16 is an appropriate age range for age-of-consent laws. And, uh, 16 happens to be what it is where I live. Sooooooooooooo…”

    Yeah, here’s another of YOUR lies you sociopath. One of these days you need to figure out how the internet works. Stuff you write is saved FOREVER. I’d think you would’ve learned that by now given that your CHILF obsessions have been exposed.

    You’re on record advocating for lowering the age of consent.
    http://zombiecontentions.com/2010/10/18/public-lessons-pedophilia-bullying-and-the-case-of-alex-knepper/#comment-33542

    “I am an ardent atheist, pro-drug legalization, pro-pornography, pro-prostitution, pro-abortion rights, pro-art, in favor of reducing the age of consent, and do not believe in ‘natural rights.’”

    You’re just a pathological liar, Knepper. You’ve told too many lies to be able to keep track. This reminds me of when I called you out on your BS on one of your last Frum Forum posts. http://www.frumforum.com/can-the-west-modernize-islam/comment-page-2#comment-143205

    What was your response to me proving you’re a liar? Oh that’s right you shut up and didn’t respond. Just as you’re not going to respond to me now.

    Not that you asked for it but here’s my advice for you, little Alex. You want a writing career? You can have it. You just need to tell the truth about what you are. You are sexually attracted to children. Nature dealt you a raw deal when it comes to sex drive and you have my sympathy. It’s not your fault that you’re attracted to kids. Life’s not fair. But it will be your fault if you choose to act on it (which you probably already have, though I’ll admit that I have no evidence you’ve actually committed a crime yet — if I did then you’d be in prison right now.)

    Why not just come clean? It’s clear that you’ve probably got a whole lot of guilt and self-loathing about what you are. Why not just admit it, seek treatment, and then try and redeem yourself by dedicating your intellectual career to helping others like yourself who are afflicted with this horrific psychological disorder? I have no expectation that you’d actually do that but hey, thought I might as well throw it out there. You’re self-obsessed and self-interested enough that perhaps you might have the brains to reach out and grab the only remaining chance you have of having the narcissistic public intellectual career you so long for.

  45. Rob Taylor on November 20th, 2010 12:39 am

    Ouch. Alex won’t get help because the reality is that his is a sickness of the soul, not just the mind. Pedophiles can only be treated when they want to change, but Alex wants the world to change for him.

  46. Alex Knepper on November 20th, 2010 1:03 am

    The age of consent in many states is 18, which is too high. I’m in favor of lowering that: absolutely. I’m totally open about that.

    16, which is what it is in my own state, is reasonable, I think. 14 seems a little low.

    What do you think, David? Is 18 or 16 is more reasonable? I just want to know what you think. Do you think it should be raised, maybe? 18 only? Maybe 20, like in certain African states?

    You don’t even believe your own shit. You’re on a vendetta against me — still! — because I criticized your dopey site on FrumForum. You’re still dredging this up, even here, because of that. Because I hurt your little fee-fees by not staying quiet about your bullshit reasons for firing me (which you also continue to lie about). You couldn’t possibly believe that a college student’s attraction to teenagers is “disordered.” You’re a pathological liar, but you aren’t stupid. You don’t — can’t! — believe your own bullshit. If someone’s going to come clean, it should be you: on your deranged, sociopathic ability to lie through your teeth without remorse. The truth is just a stumbling block on the road to your final destination, which is: total character assassination.

  47. Alex Knepper on November 20th, 2010 1:07 am

    So long as you’re quoting my ZombieContentions quotes, why don’t you quote this?:

    “The true pedophile is caged-in, I think, because there is nothing sexually-aware about the prepubescent child: it’s not that children are devoid of sexuality, necessarily, but that the child lacks the awareness of meaning. He’s not ready. (The child can be beautiful, of course, but not, I think, in any erotic way.)

    I personally find nothing erotic about prepubescent children, but our public discourse about this issue amounts to nothing short of hysteria. We have to find a rational way to discuss this. This To-Catch-a-Predator paradigm is not productive.

    All cultures have rightly condemned true child-rape. But our current conflation of true pedophilia with the natural masculine desire for youth and beauty is disturbing and regressive. It’s a product, I think, of a bizarre cultural shift wherein we now consider adolescents to be ‘big children’ rather than young adults. There’s an artificial extension of childhood going on in America: walk onto any college campus and you’ll see what I mean. It’s not healthy — not intellectually, not emotionally, not sexually.”

  48. DodiaFae on November 20th, 2010 10:34 am

    Nice tantrum there, Alex. Need a hanky?

    16, which is what it is in my own state, is reasonable, I think. 14 seems a little low.

    And yet, it’s perfectly fine to tell a 14 year old to show you his penis (which is the only way to really prove penis size. You keep saying you were “joking”, but if you believe that, you’re a worse liar than you claim David to be.)

    I personally find nothing erotic about prepubescent children, but our public discourse about this issue amounts to nothing short of hysteria.</blockquote?
    Here are some statistics for you to mull over a bit (see links for sources):

    1 in 3 girls and 1 in 6 boys are sexually abused before their 18th birthday.

    Nearly 70% of all reported sexual assaults (including assaults on adults) occur to children ages 17 and under.

    The median age for reported abuse is 9 years old.

    More than 20% of children are sexually abused before the age of 8.

    Nearly 50% of all victims of forcible sodomy, sexual assault with an object, and forcible fondling are children under 12.

    1 in 5 children are solicited sexually while on the internet.

    Young victims may not recognize their victimization as sexual abuse. (They also don’t know when they’re being groomed.)

    Nearly 70% of child sex offenders have between 1 and 9 victims; at least 20% have 10 to 40 victims.

    An average serial child molester may have as many as 400 victims in his lifetime.

    Hysteria? If that many children were getting a potentially deadly virus, it would be called a pandemic and there would be a public outcry to find a means of prevention. But when it comes to child sexual abuse, it’s called “hysteria” and people like you want to sweep it under the carpet.

  49. DodiaFae on November 20th, 2010 10:35 am

    I hate it when I screw up the formatting…

  50. Concerned resident on November 20th, 2010 12:19 pm

    Lowering the age of consent DOES NOT mean that adults can start dating children.

    I question an adult’s motives (and their vices) when as adults they want to lower the age of consent…

    Just my $0.02

  51. Concerned resident on November 20th, 2010 12:26 pm

    There are two groups of people in the world that as a society we must ensure their safety;
    - the young
    - the elderly

    I hate people who abuse and target these groups, because you are abusing my grand-parents, my parents, my aunts & uncles, my children, my grand-children, my nieces and nephews…

  52. Alex Knepper on November 20th, 2010 12:40 pm

    Right, and 58% of statistics are made up on the spot.

    It’s just like what the date-rape ideologues would say: How can you say that when 1 in 3 women are date-raped? Don’t you know that 1 in 6 women are raped? 1 in 10 women will be raped while in college! 1 in 5 women may be raped in their lifetime! — I just think — You people are so full of shit!

    The truth is that you WANT to believe that lots of children are sexually assaulted, because you get a disgusting moral erection over the tantalizing possibility of being able to flaunt your Good-Guy Badge to the public. “Look how much I care about The Children!,” you can say. Child sexual abuse is horrific on its own; we don’t need lying moralists like you to make it awful.

    Obviously, even if only 1 in 1,000 children are sexually assaulted, that’s something that we must take seriously. It does NOT mean that we resort to vigilantism, moral panic, and hysteria that destroys the lives of innocent people. It’s people like you who vandalized the house of a pediatrician in Britain (because they read ‘pediatrician who works with children’ as ‘pedophile’) and locked up innocent day care workers in the late 1980s.

    There is a SERIOUS difference between a college student joking around sexually with a high school student on a forum for adolescents, and a fifty-year-old uncle raping his niece. If you can’t see the difference, then you’re not fucking trying very hard.

  53. Alex Knepper on November 20th, 2010 12:43 pm

    A father who rapes his daughter is a monster who should be locked up for life.

    A twenty-year-old who finds a fifteen-year-old sexually desirable is normal: biologically, psychologically, and emotionally.

    We know that we’re in the midst of a moral panic because there are people who cannot tell the difference between the two.

  54. Concerned resident on November 20th, 2010 12:47 pm

    You are not an adolescent, so why are you on a forum for teens?

    I understand how to joke too, let me see… Alex Knepper walks into a bar, I castrate him and make a tobacco pouch out of his scrotum. AHAHAHAHAHAHA, I wonder if Comedy Central is going to give me a job.

  55. Alex Knepper on November 20th, 2010 12:50 pm

    I’d been a member of the forum since I was 17, when I signed up for help with coming out to my mom. I stuck around for the community; I’ve posted less frequently this year than in years past and don’t even post much at all nowadays except to drop in and make a few remarks here and there. I’m not the oldest member of the forum; there are guys there who are 21, 22, even 24. Most of them, like me, have been signed up since they were younger and have made the forum something of a habit.

    Not that I have to fucking prove myself to you.

  56. Alex Knepper on November 20th, 2010 12:51 pm

    “I understand how to joke too, let me see… Alex Knepper walks into a bar, I castrate him and make a tobacco pouch out of his scrotum.”

    (More proof that we’re in the midst of a moral panic: A college student attracted to high schoolers deserves to be…castrated?)

  57. Concerned resident on November 20th, 2010 12:55 pm

    No proof Alex, I was only joking.

  58. DodiaFae on November 20th, 2010 1:34 pm

    Oh, wow… I can get an erection? That’s news to me. :)

    Actually, dealing with perverts like you has exactly the opposite effect that anything sexually stimulating would have. It’s probably the only reason why my husband wishes I’d give up activism. Nothing puts a damper on a good romp like having read the sort of trash you vomit.

    And who are you calling a vigilante? Certainly you have no proof that I’ve bashed any skulls and buried the bodies of any sexual predators anywhere? ;) Eh, whatever. I’ve been called much worse by out-of-the-closet sexual predators than that.

    In case you’re not aware, this is 2010, not 1980. We have access to information that wasn’t available then, to DNA evidence, scientific studies, etc.

    When I see a 20 year old telling a 14 or 15 year old *child* (yes, child) to show him his penis, I see an emotionally stunted adult seeing just how far he can push that child, how much he can get away with. It’s called “grooming”. I’m sure you know how that works, Alex.

  59. DodiaFae on November 20th, 2010 1:36 pm

    A twenty-year-old who finds a fifteen-year-old sexually desirable is normal: biologically, psychologically, and emotionally.

    Wait… didn’t you claim earlier that your AoA was 16, which is legal in your state of residence?

    If the AoC were changed to 15, I wonder how long before you’re pushing for 14… then 13…

  60. DodiaFae on November 20th, 2010 1:39 pm

    A college student attracted to high schoolers deserves to be…castrated?

    And when you’re a 22 year old college student, you’ll still be making the same argument on your own behalf. Only then, it’ll be more difficult for your friends to buy it.

  61. John on November 20th, 2010 4:07 pm

    What Alex is guilty of is being part of something that exploits children and young adults. If the picture of the young naked boys hugging is indicative of what “chilf” porn is, then it’s safe to say that many minors are exploited to fulfill this need in those attracted to them. By seeking, sharing and jerking off to those photos people like Alex unwittingly tell the people who put young people in sexually suggestive situations to be photographed for perverts is okay.

    It’s one thing to be attracted to younger people and its another thing to contribute and defend an industry that thrives on taking advantage of minors.

    Just saying….

  62. David Swindle on November 20th, 2010 4:55 pm

    “The age of consent in many states is 18, which is too high. I’m in favor of lowering that: absolutely. I’m totally open about that.
    16, which is what it is in my own state, is reasonable, I think. 14 seems a little low.
    What do you think, David? Is 18 or 16 is more reasonable? I just want to know what you think. Do you think it should be raised, maybe? 18 only? Maybe 20, like in certain African states?”

    I have no interest in discussing any public policy issue with you. That would be playing into your game and legitimizing you. There is no place for unrepentant pedophiles in decent society.

    “You don’t even believe your own shit. You’re on a vendetta against me — still! — because I criticized your dopey site on FrumForum.”

    Do you know how many people criticize what we do at the Freedom Center? Do you know how many people — who are much, much more prominent than you’ll ever be — smear and lie about us regularly? And yet you really think I would go to all this trouble to lie to destroy you?

    Are you really that much of a narcissist? Why, yes, you are. That you’re a profound narcissist has been obvious since the moment you emerged on the scene.

    “You couldn’t possibly believe that a college student’s attraction to teenagers is “disordered.” You’re a pathological liar, but you aren’t stupid. You don’t — can’t! — believe your own bullshit.”

    It’s your attraction to children that concerns me, Alex. And you can lie and try to distract people from the evidence but all they need to do is look at the faces of the boys in your “cutest CHILFs” image to know the truth that you’re too scared to deal with honestly. I guess it’ll probably take serving time in prison before you would even have any hope of waking up. How sad.

  63. Alex Knepper on November 20th, 2010 6:51 pm

    @Dodia — “Wait… didn’t you claim earlier that your AoA was 16, which is legal in your state of residence?”

    You kept bringing up the 15-year-old, so I used him as an example. The point still stands, and you refuse to reply to it.

    @David — “I have no interest in discussing any public policy issue with you. That would be playing into your game and legitimizing you. There is no place for unrepentant pedophiles in decent society.”

    HAHAHAHAHA. Oh David, you’re so cute when you act self-righteous. You’re very good at keeping up the Soviet Show Trial act. (You know that if you opened your trap and admitted that you agree with me about the age of consent, then the entire jig would be up.)

    “Do you know how many people criticize what we do at the Freedom Center? Do you know how many people — who are much, much more prominent than you’ll ever be — smear and lie about us regularly? And yet you really think I would go to all this trouble to lie to destroy you? Are you really that much of a narcissist? Why, yes, you are. That you’re a profound narcissist has been obvious since the moment you emerged on the scene. ”

    Difference, David: I worked under you. You feel betrayed by me because I didn’t go quietly into the night after I was sacked. It’s very personal, to you — and that’s something you just can’t tolerate. It’s one thing for, say, Glenn Greenwald to criticize you, but by God, I worked under you, however short that time period was. And that’s something you won’t stand for. You think I don’t know how things work? You think people don’t tell me things? Come on, now, David. Think a little harder. There must be a brain cell or two in that empty skull of yours that you can fire up.

    “all they need to do is look at the faces of the boys in your “cutest CHILFs” image to know the truth that you’re too scared to deal with honestly.”

    Alas, you’re still choking on your own bullshit. Maybe one hundred people saw that image when I posted it a year and a half ago. Thousands more people saw that picture thanks to you than would have ever seen it because of me in some buried old thread. If posting that picture is exploitative, then it’s you, not me, who is profoundly more guilty of exploitation. You don’t get a free pass from your own rules merely because you affix your Good Guy Badge to your lapel.

  64. Rob Taylor on November 20th, 2010 7:09 pm

    The point is that you are an adult – with severe sexual dysfunctions – who admits to prey on teens for sex and defends it by saying the teens want a creepy, pallid, misogynist diaper fetishist to have sex with them.

    What the real issue should be s why you think that someone who is almost 21 should b banging 16-year-olds instead of other adults? Why do you think that dreaming of sucking off teens with pre-pubescent genitalia is normal or healthy? Why you can’t simply find someone in college to share your supposed sex life with (which is really some sort of psychodrama that has to do with your desire to feel both powerful and victimized) instead of looking for kids to do so?

    Because you know adults can see through you. You’re not gay, you’re not even really a pedophile (sorry ephebophile) you’re a garden variety pervert whose “sexuality” is an expression of nihilistic antinomianism. I predict that twenty years from now you’ll be caught with a teenager. A teenage girl and it’ll be one of your little friends kids. Like your hero de Sade you’ll move from exploiting young males to roughing up women.

    And if you love intellectual honesty so much why aren’t you examining your own works and reflecting on them?

  65. David Swindle on November 21st, 2010 2:55 am

    “Difference, David: I worked under you. You feel betrayed by me because I didn’t go quietly into the night after I was sacked. It’s very personal, to you — and that’s something you just can’t tolerate.”

    You weren’t even “sacked” you know. You were never hired, never an employee. You were just one of dozens of bloggers donating content and all we did is say that we didn’t want any more of your posts. Big deal.

    But keep dreaming, pedophile. Two words for you, moron: John Guardiano. Plenty of people have quit, plenty of people have written about how they don’t like me or don’t like the publication. Guardiano wrote far more vicious things about me and NRB than you ever did. And that’s fine. The difference between the two of you is clear to everyone: you’re a pedophile, he’s not.

    I have much thicker skin than you want to think I do and simply DO NOT CARE if braindead, morally bankrupt people like yourself don’t like me.

    You can keep spinning this all you want but at the end of the day the facts remain the same. With every profanity-laden, pornographic comment you leave you only provide further evidence to whoever is reading this that we’re right about you.

  66. DodiaFae on November 21st, 2010 9:12 am

    @Dodia — You kept bringing up the 15-year-old, so I used him as an example. The point still stands, and you refuse to reply to it.

    I’m sorry, what point was that again? I want to make sure that, if it hasn’t been addressed by someone already, that I do my best. Maybe you’ll STFU, stop blaming everyone else for the bad publicity you’ve brought on yourself, and seek the professional help you so desperately need… Oh, and stop making inappropriate demands of children.

  67. DodiaFae on November 23rd, 2010 8:21 am

    Yeah… that’s what I thought. I just scanned through the comments here and couldn’t find this mysterious point he’s claiming I refuse to respond to, and he won’t repost it, so he’s full of shit.

    The only thing that still stands is that he wants the AoC lowered to 15 because he’s sexually attracted to 15 year olds (and no, Alex, you weren’t just using that as an example because I brought it up. You were dreaming of blowing a 15 year old, posted it to a forum, and then told him to prove his penis size. If the AoC were changed to 15, it’d only be a matter of time before you’re claiming it should be 14, because you think it’s “normal” for adults to want to have sex with 14 year olds.)

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