Stacy McCain Knows I Didn’t Compare Him to John Wayne Gacy

Though his little LGF like cult of degenerates, “Men’s” movement sissies and neo-nazis, (sorry, I mean “neo-Confederates”) probably don’t because like any  gathering of losers who invest their lives in some guy they take his word as gospel. And Stacy McCain is, among other things, a liar.

What am I talking about? A recent post by McCain called Nobody’s Fault but Mine which is his sixth or seventh attempt to explain away his theory that date rape victims are morally responsible for their own victimization. The title is ironic because the post mostly claims people who criticized him overreacted and are thus to blame for this whole fiasco. McCain mentions me in passing, but just long enough to threaten me (saying near the end of the piece I was on a “short list I didn’t want to be on” whatever that means)  and lie about what I wrote:

As I say, the argument I actually made wasn’t quite the same as the argument I intended to make and my invocation of Hunter S. Thompson’s maxim — “Buy the Ticket, Take the Ride” — particularly offended people. Recognizing that I was in violation of the First Law of Holes, I stopped digging. And then a blogger I never heard of compared me to serial killer John Wayne Gacy, falsely describing me as part of the so-called “Men’s Movement.”

The Men’s Movement groupies he has will be shocked to find that out. But the big lie here is that I compared McCain to Gacy. I didn’t. Here’s the quote from my piece:

John Wayne Gacy gained control of many of his victims by getting high with them and sometimes offering to show them a “magic trick” which involved being put into handcuffs. According to McCain, the thirty-three young men Gacy raped, tortured and murdered “bought the ticket” to that ride when they trusted their killer.

It’s pretty clear I was talking about McCain’s theory, not claiming he was “like” Gacy. But lest you think this is some sort of misunderstanding McCain already knew that on December 8th, when he emailed me after the piece originally went up. I will publish the full content of those emails here and will forward them to anyone who wants them. I present to you Stacy McCain in all his mincing glory:

from    Robert McCain
to    Rob Taylor
cc    Stacy McCain
date    Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 1:21 AM
subject    Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?
signed-by    att.net

May I ask what inspired that? I mean, out of all the things in all the world that you could have blogged about Tuesday, your top priority was to attack me? To accuse me of exhibiting a “hug-a-thug” mentality, “nihilism,” etc.? Does this look like “hug-a-thug” to you?

http://archive.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=6327

http://archive.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=28784

Do you have any idea how much work I did covering the Culture Wars — interviewing Wendy Shalit, Judith Reisman, Robert Knight, Phyllis Schlafly, Michelle Malkin, etc. — from 1997 onward? It is extremely unfortunate that the Washington Times has failed to maintain its online archives pre-2007, but I’ve got the Nexis docs on my hard-drive, if you’d care to see any of it.

Robert Stacy McCain
Co-author (with Lynn Vincent) of
DONKEY CONS: Sex, Crime & Corruption in the Democratic Party

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1595550240

Like the way he worked in some plugs? This email seems to be quite a different tone from the one he takes about me in his new piece. Here’s the reason:

from    Rob Taylor
to    Robert McCain
date    Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 1:44 AM
subject    Re: Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?
mailed-by    gmail.com

Oh, did I not link to the piece I was responding to? Let me check.

No, it’s there. You mitigating the responsibility of criminals for their own criminality by claiming that victims play a role in their own victimization. I think that’s important but I’m eccentric in that way.

Thanks for reading!

Rob Taylor

I was up rather late that day! I am a confirmed night owl. Stacy, like Tom Cruise, is not a fan of glibness:

from    Robert McCain
to    Rob Taylor
cc    Stacy McCain
date    Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 4:28 AM
subject    Re: Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?
signed-by    att.net

Is it wrong to warn people out of harm’s way? Are crime-prevention training and self-defense classes “mitigating criminality”?

The woman who hooks up with a stranger — and that’s what happened with Assange in Sweden — is putting herself at risk, period. How are those “pro-sex feminists” who encourage such behavior exempt from your (allegedly) conservative criticism while those of us who warn against hook-ups and criticize the culture that promotes hook-ups are “mitigating the responsibility of criminals”?

What sort of warped mental prism produces the kind of bizarre distortions that lead you to think it fitting or fair to compare me to serial killer John Gacy?

– RSM

Ah, the infamous comparison rears its head. It should also be noted that in this paragraph he even lies about the contents of his own post. In no part of his piece did he talk about the importance of self-defense training for women. He said women who hook up with strangers “buy a ticket” on the date rape express. But here is were I explain to him that I didn’t compare him to Gacy:

from    Rob Taylor
to    Robert McCain
date    Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 12:55 PM
subject    Re: Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?
mailed-by    gmail.com

You’re being disingenuous now and I’m not interested. You’re not recommending self-defense training – you’re claiming victims who have done something you disapprove of have it coming.

This isn’t about Feminists, it’s about you. You linking to a site that promoted legalizing child porn (Roissy) you claiming that date rape wasn’t a crime by putting it in quotes, you defending depravity at it’s most obvious then claiming to be a social conservative.

I’m not sure how much you drink or get high per day so I’m not sure if you literally believe I said you’re like John Wayne Gacy or if even in private email exchanges you can’t help but lie. My point, as I suspect you know, is that in essence Gacy’s victims were “date raped” as you call it and thus, according to you and your “Men’s” Movement pussies, responsible for their own victimization.

There is only one person responsible for any crime – the criminal. I have always advocated strong self-defense laws, but I won’t pretend your ill-conceived attack on Feminism through rape victims is anywhere near the same as that.

Grow up a little.

Rob Taylor

So, to be clear, my quote doesn’t say he’s “like” Gacy and on December 8th I was gracious enough (in my own way to be sure) to explain to him that I was not comparing him to Gacy. His response?

from    Robert McCain
to    Rob Taylor
cc    Stacy McCain
date    Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 3:14 PM
subject    Re: Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?
signed-by    att.net

1. This is the second time you’ve accused me of being part of the so-called “men’s movement,” which I’m not.
2. The link to Roissy was a reference — and it was impossible to miss as such — to their endless discussions of “game,” i.e., recreational-seduction strategies. It’s like linking to a feminist site (which I did) in discussing feminist theory. A link is not an endorsement, and I certainly don’t pay enough attention to Roissy to be aware of everything they say about every issue.
3. Your obsession with Gacy — or rather, your repeated attempts to project your obsession onto others — is disturbing. You are not a psychic and your arrogant “I know what you’re thinking” pretense of omniscience fools no one, except perhaps fools.
This isn’t my first time in the rodeo. I’ve been through a flame-war or two. (Or twenty.) So if what your are communicating is your intent to continue this fruitless attack, so be it.
– RSM

I didn’t realize illustrating a point with a famous crime case was obsessive.

But notice that his response to me saying he was making up the fact that that I compared him toJohn Wayne Gacy was to claim I was obsessed with John Wayne Gacy, but he never to refuted my contention that I made no such comparison. McCain knows I didn’t compare him to Gacy, but he also knows the kind of people who frequent his site won’t bother to read my piece to figure that out. A good place to end, but lest I be accused of leaving anything out I’ll show you how we left things.

Surprise! I was extremely rude to him. But he did buy that ticket when he emailed me, so he had to take the ride:

from    Rob Taylor
to    Robert McCain
date    Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 3:50 PM
subject    Re: Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?
mailed-by    gmail.com

A) If you walk like a duck … or in this case a misogynist don’t be surprised when people think you are one. Men’s movement sissies are defending you, your theory is one that has floated around their sites for years and what? You’re upset for being lumped in with people who you agree with on an issue? Really? I suppose I should be disgusted to be lumped in with Perverted Justice.

B) Since you have promoted Roissy-like views on feminism, rape victims and women in general I find your ignorance of the site and the Men’s Movement in general dubious at best.

C) I am in fact psychic, this is quite well known. Readings start at $25. But more to the point my “obsession” with Gacy is that he was, essentially, a date rapist, and you’re defending date rape. Even you see the connection, surely.

I’d also point out that I’m not interested in communicating anything to a degenerate. You’re no different than any of the people who show up to a crime blog claiming some woman got what was coming, or that pedophilia is normal or whatever. Blog war? The fact that you think telling your fellow degenerates that I suck in a series of blog posts is some sort of threat really puts you in perspective.

I’m onto you. You’re no different than Charles Johnson with your thin skinned screeching and endorsement of hurting people. Go ahead and and attack me for pointing out your own depravity, which you vomited on to the Internet for that collection of pedophiles, sex offenders and drug users who love such posts to lap up. If that makes you feel like your god won’t punish you for defending people who prey on others have fun.

Now stop emailing me.

Oh snap! But like one of the feminists McCain rails about so often he was unwilling to accept the idea that a man had no interest in listening to his nonsense. He tries one last time to keep our conversation going:

from    Robert McCain
to    Rob Taylor
cc    Stacy McCain
date    Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 4:21 PM
subject    Re: Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?
signed-by    att.net

“Men’s movement sissies are defending you”

Where? Who? I don’t know what the hell you’re talking about, and I’m beginning to suspect that you don’t know what the hell you’re talking about, either.
– RSM

At which point things turn ugly:

from    Rob Taylor
to    Robert McCain
date    Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 4:33 PM
subject    Re: Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?
mailed-by    gmail.com

What part of stop emailing me don’t you understand? Or is stalking just another crime you endorse? No means no!

But now it’s all making sense. The ruder I am to you and the harder I try to brush you off the more you want my attention. Not that I recommend him because he was kind of a douche but have you ever read Anton LaVey’s essay on misogyny? It posits that misogynists are all closeted homosexuals who hate women because secretly they desire the attention of men and can’t compete with the women, especially one who is overtly sexual. A little un-PC these days but I think he was on to something.

I have a similar theory about rape apologists I call the Tennessee Williams syndrome.

That said, I’m married so your wasting your time.

Rob Taylor

OK. That last one might have been a little over the top, but who the F#@% is Stacy McCain to demand I run out and give him the links and comments of every last nut who loves his writing while I’m trying to watch Cavuto?

Look, I get it. McCain thinks he’s important because he’s in some clique of big name bloggers and he wants people to stroke him over  his mighty accomplishment – of running a semi-popular website. Of course it’s mostly popular with Neo-Confederates, White Nationalists, perverts, rape apologists, pedophile apologists and a host of “Social Cons” who think law and order isn’t as important as attacking ideological opponents.

In other words it’s like DailyKos for people who claim to be on the right.

But if McCain had just said “Rob Taylor is kind of a jerk” I’d have said that was fair and ignored him. But instead he’s Charles Johnsoning me, lying about what I wrote then sending his minions to Newsreal to claim that I shouldn’t be allowed to freelance there because I dared criticize Dear Leader McCain. It’s pathetic.

I agree with Tommy Christopher on the very over rated McCain, if he’s so smart and such a great writer why has it taken him five or six different posts to “clarify” what he said about rape? My theory is because what he wrote was indefensible and he didn’t realize how disgusted people would be by his blatant immorality when he wrote it . That’s what the lies about me in his piece are really about. McCain is using blogers who “attacked” him as a distraction designed to rally his cult and get the conversation off his degeneracy and onto something else. I’m told at this point they’re even “exposing” me as a Pagan in the comments which would be quite the scoop – if I hadn’t been open about my Paganism on my sites since I started blogging.

McCain is a liar and everyone knows it. When will the right stop taking people like this seriously?

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