Victimless Crime File: Kid Has Heart Attack After Smoking K2
A lot of stoners have been claiming my original post about K2, where I point out that the man who invented it says smoking it is stupid, is just me overreacting to them because I’m a a square or something. Part of their argument is that I “don’t know nothin” because I haven’t smoked it so I can’t judge people that do. Of course by that logic you can’t judge necrophiliacs unless you’ve raped a corpse.
As an aside, only morons (and drug addicts) claim that you can’t judge people based on their behavior unless you engage in that behavior yourself.
The main thrust of their argument is that this substance which was never meant to be smoked and is known to cause accelerated heart rates and increased blood pressure just can’t be harmful. In Dallas, however, K2 is suspected to have triggered a heart attack in at least one smoker:
Meanwhile, Dr. Colin Kane, a pediatric cardiologist with Children’s Medical Center, says he doesn’t know for certain that marijuana substitutes like K2 are dangerous, but he’s got reason to be suspicious.
In the past week, he says, he’s cared for two high-school-aged boys who came in separately with chest pains and heart problems, and who said they’d been smoking K2.
The first boy who came in had chest pains for several days and a low-grade fever.
“We initially thought that he had a viral illness that was affecting his heart,” Kane said. While in the hospital, the boy had another event with severe chest pain. Tests later showed that he suffered a heart attack.
“It was only after more questioning while we talked to him that it came up that he had smoked k2 the day before this all happened,” Kane said. “So am I positive it’s related? I can’t say positive, but it’s pretty suspicious that he smoked something for the first time the day before he started having all these problems.”
Kane said its unclear whether the boy will suffer permanent heart damage.
“We’re going to see him again and follow him for a while,” Kane said. “It’s hard to say what kind of long term damage he’ll have.”
I say triggered as opposed to cause because frankly I’m sure the kid has some other condition that meant his heart was weak. That still doesn’t mean the people who sold some fat kid a substance that increases blood pressure aren’t partially to blame for his condition.
The same paper noted that some of the K2 smokers have been mixing the substance with “spike” which they think is an energy drink. Needless to say smoking a substance that increased blood pressure and heart speed with another substance that contains large amounts of sugar and caffeine is a recipe for disaster.
But it can’t happen to you guys, right? I’m sure none of you are fat, old or otherwise unhealthy. You just send me comments at 3:00am about how awesome it is to get high because you like to get a two hour warm up for your 5:00am run.
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I 2 have felt these heart attack symptoms…i thought i was dieing..in one case i think i did…my heart stopped and i passed out..my wife woke me up and rushed to to the hospital..they racked up a good bill and kicked me out the door..its been 4 months since i last touched the stuff and i still feel the chest pains and my heart still acts weird..i havent felt normal since..the only way to make my life somewhat livable is constantly move..if i stay nonactive for more than 20 mins+ i feel weak and want to faint.chest pains increase and my heart rate is irregualr..im afraid to sleep..
i was a healthy 23 yr old…6 years of oilfield roughnecking..i cant do it anymore..im too weak..my body just wont let me. plz if anyone has any info plz plz plz contact me…ajnin_69@yahoo.com
I too had a extrem panic attack from k2 ….I was smoking spice of all brands around 4 months off and on mostly on. I one morning mixed k2 with a monster energy drink and …i was followed up by a rush of paranoia that. I was dying….I haven’t used it since then but my heart is having weird palpitating feelings….this is about 3 weeks later after the experience .
I’m really ashamed of my self , I’m only 26 or about to be on the 22nd …. I’m handsome lol and successful but I realize the fact I might have cut my life short from wanting to ” cop a buzz all ” the time ….. Do not smoke any kind of spice its Genocide
Do you know why there is a market for K2 and other legal knock-offs of cannabis? Because the real thing is illegal! Legalize cannabis, which has never been proven to kill anyone (at least not directly), and K2 will practically vanish. DUH!
That’s stupid. Kids will take anything that gets them high, including paint thinner. By your logic no one would be smoking pot because alcohol is legal.
But K2 is specificially designed to mimic–guess what–cannabis. Only it’s legal. It is simply potpourri (no pun intended) sprayed with chemicals that are designed to act as cannabinoid receptor agonists (like THC), in addition to God knows what else they put in it. And the real thing appears to be safer with fewer adverse effects, not to mention cheaper (at least would be post-legalization) than K2.
Though until they ban K2 outright, develop a urine test for K2, and/or stop drug testing for real THC, those subject to drug testing may still show a demand for it. But much less than now in any case post-legalization.
Yeah I blogged about that but hanks for re-iterating it. The guy who made it said it’s dangerous for humans to use, which I blogged to.
Look, I’m working and I can see you’re planning on doing this all day. Post-legalization pot we be more expensive (since the government will tax it, alot) but that’s whatever. I am not for or against legalization as I said, just for honesty about drug abuse.
How about you go to for a walk or something? I have 5 sites to run and can’s spend all day listening to the same arguments Libertarians have been making since I was one in the 80s. You really don’t have anything else to do?
“morons(and drug addicts)”? we all have shit to deal with in life, just not all of us handle it the same. a person who spends their money on lotto tickets hoping to get the lucky number is no better than an addict chasing the original rush. we are all addicted to something or another, just society picks what is “acceptable”
Yes, yes. There’s absolutely no difference between being addicted to lotto, smoking K2, being a heroin addict or like Starbucks. Moral relativism, blah, blah.
If one addiction is no better than another why do some addicts suck strangers off for money while some do not?
It’s not accurate to say that that one can’t understand without participating. The thing about most prohibitionist rhetoric though is they are not an accurate representation of reality. I can state with certainty that you don’t understand the subject, from just the post above. Whether you have the capacity to get a grasp of the subject is certainly beyond my ken.
I wonder, do grasp the reality that JWH-018 is an unintended consequence of the stupidity of the war on (some) drugs? Let’s not forget the other bastard progeny of prohibition–crack cocaine and crystal meth. Wow, the drug laws actually work! It’s amazing that it only took 40 years and a trillion with a T dollars to substantially reduce the effective cost of MADs, cause the potency of illegal MADs to increase substantially, and bring us widespread on demand availability to approaching 100% of the US. For a bonus we also have the opportunity to smoke cocaine and meth, and are now dealing with a synthetic cannabinoid conjured up in some Frankenstein’s laboratory. What a heckuva job.
It’s amusing, because I first became aware of these products in 2005, rejected the idea because I thought that it was just phony baloney designed to separate the fools from their money. Then came 2010 and the hysterical rhetoric clued me in that the stuff actually works.
I’ll betcha sales of this product have gone through the roof because of all the publicity as well as the fact that now everyone knows it really does work.
Oh, one other question. You do know that at this moment California it’s 10:04? Lots of people don’t work the traditional 9-5 days off on weekends and holidays job.
I’m sayin’ this as a warning to all. K2 is extremely dangerous. I found this out myself jus’ yesterday. I’v been a user for quiet sometime, and it has never happend before. But it can! Shortly after smoking, I went through what people around me called a “Panic Attack” I wasn’t at all panicing, I was pretty calm. But my heart was beating at an insane rate, for a lil more then an hour… I thought my heart would give out. I actually came to terms with my death that day…
And can still at this moment accept my fate. Question is, can you?
Also, take ■CouldaSaidNO’s reply into consideration as well.
Life’s to short to make it short. I’m lucky to have come out of this alive…
I too almost died smoking this stuff the other night. I have done my share off hard drugs in the past cocaine, x and have had my freak outs. Therefore I stopped with all that chemical non sense and decided to stick with natural mary jane. My friend suggested we try this legal version. I smoked it and not even seconds after having uncontrollable laughter. I was thrown into a hyperactive state of panic. My heart was beating at a ridiculous rate for hours and I thought for sure I was having a heart attack. My body was convulsing and two hours sitting in the shower it took to slow it down. I too came to terms with my death and thought for sure I was just going to end my life another moron who OD’d in the bathroom just trying to feel a release. But its never worth it. Unless you grow it yourself.. you NEVER KNOW what you are getting. Unfortunately this is most likely a situation you will have to experience yourself to understand. But I hope you won’t. If you do or you have then like me you will see the things that are truely important in life. And wouldn’t risk one moment on these types of things..
Sounds like this K2 brand is the big issue… I’ve been looking at it over and over, comparing to the brand I smoke, haven’t had any of these symptoms that they’re describing here… Sounds like the brand K2 needs to be back tracked down and see what is actually going on there, different brands of spice do different things I’ve noticed, I went with the one that was most natural to the actual side effects for the herbs listed on the package and Haven’t had a single issue.
K2 (and others) typically contain JWH-018 or JWH-075. These are “research chemicals” that are designed to mimic THC. Unlike THC, which is only a partial CB1 and CB2 agonist, all incarnations of JWH are full agonists, which are stronger. Nor is there and cannabidiol to balance it out. Even John W. Huffman, the inventor of JWH, says that they were never designed for human consumption and strongly discourages people from using it. Stay away from it!
And God knows what else these blends contain, since it’s a “trade secret” and “not for human consumption”.
All this talk about K2 and JWH-018 is only part of this whole mess with these synthetic drugs. There are many many brands and many synthesis of JWH. Each has a different affect. They are similar though, it’s just that some affect the heart a whole lot more. I’ve tried many of these and Ive compared how I react to them. One in particular ( cloud 10 storm) which states on the lable that it doesn’t contain any chemical that is banned in certain states that banned substances in K2, is very very powerful. One hit and in minutes my heart rate was 176. And that was just relaxing on the sofa. My normal rate is 80-100. My pulse didn’t return to normal for an hour and a half. So bottom line is if your going to do this stuff be extremely careful! I don’t know what would have happens is I had smoked a full bowl or a joint of this stuff….
My friend just died of a heart attack last week. He was a strong healthy man. He was smoking k2 this I know. Now that I look this up I know for sure this is how he died. He never had an heart problems before. I do not understand why people would smoke stuff they know nothing about. It is so sad to me. I told him not to smoke that stuff. You just never know. I hope poeple read this and will think twice before smoking it. He too had went to the doctor 2 weeks prior with heart palputaions. So bad you could feel it by placing your hand on his chest. That was the last time I ever saw him:(. So sad. I cannot believe this happened… And now his child does not have a father because of this fatal mistake:(….
I’m sorry for your loss.
i smoked k2 and my experience was horrible my chest hurts and i soo scared i want to go to the doctors but im afriad please someone help im scared to sleep like im sick to my stomach writing this and after reading all of these comments i even more scared!! please someone help
Go to a doctor.
Yes. I’ve been using K2 for a while, and recently the experience has changed. I experienced rapid heart beat, heavy heart beats, and it seems like I have to keep moving in order to keep it from happening. I have spent a night or two not able to get to sleep because it felt like my heart was acting strangely. This is not good. Not good at all. I’m staying away from the stuff from now on. It’s obvious to me that it’s dangerous. Do what you will, but I’m not touching that crap ever again. Hopefully, my body will revert back to normal. I hope.
IF YOU ARE READING THIS NOW, DO NOT SMOKE SPICE.
IT IS _NOT_ MARIJUANA, AND IS MUCH MORE DANGEROUS.
IT IS SOME NEW CHEMICAL THAT PEOPLE KNOW JACK ALL ABOUT. IT CAN ACCELERATE YOUR HEART RATE BEYOND ITS PHYSICAL LIMITATIONS.
THIS SHIT _WILL_ FUCK UP YOUR HEART AND POSSIBLY KILL YOU IF YOU KEEP DOING IT.
AND NO, IT IS NOT JUST A PANIC ATTACK OR IN YOUR HEAD.
IF YOU MUST, SMOKE REAL MARIJUANA.
SPICE IS POISON, STAY AWAY.
I smoked K2 for the first time today. I smoked it in a blunt form earlier in the day when I first got it. At first, the feeling was fine, I just felt like I was really high. Then came the panic attack. I was walking down my apartment building hallway, and I felt like I was walking in a neverending tunnel. I ended up getting into my house and had a laughing fit, everything was super funny. After that, my heart started beating really fast, and I started having a severe panic attack. I seriously thought I was going to die. I went to take a bath to clear my head and vomited violently for about 10 minutes. After I got out of the bath, I went to lay down, and had yet another panic attack, where my heart was racing. This shit is crazy, and I’ll never do it again. It feels like a mix between a high off of some really good weed and a really bad acid trip.
i used to smoke a gram of spice a day, and at first i thought it was great felt like i was really really high, but after a few months the high changed, my heart would start beating insanely fast and i started having this strange feeling in the back of my head, then a pain would shoot from the top of my head all the way down my body, and i started seeing things that werent there like invisible people and things, i stopped smoking it about 2 months ago and i still have times where my heart does not feel right, and when i try to sleep i still get that pain in my head and my heart beats fast. this shit is bad! i advise everyone to stay away.
I have tried quite a few types of k2. I’ve never had a problem with it, until that is this new stuff called syn came out. Me and my boyfriend and his friend smoked a blunt before even leaving the parking lot of the smoke shop. By the time we left I was so high, and at first it felt good, I was really fucked up. But then we started driving and I knew I was tripping out. I was having hallucinations that we were literally inches from hitting everything, I got so scared. My heart rate jumped to a rate I’ve never experienced before. I thought I could see my chest rising from intense heart beat, but it could have been the trip. I thought I was going to die and I figured if my heart stopped neither of the guys would have noticed in time because they were high too. Wicked x is just as bad I was tripping. Not just stoned. I had to try everything to calm myself down. Never been so scared in my life.
Getting high before driving is just like driving drunk – selfish and disgusting. Do the world a favor and drive your car into a river before you drive it into some family.
I just had a heart attack and have been smoking syn for about 4 months now. I had a 100% blockage and now have a stint at 33 years old. I was very lucky to get to the hospital in time. I will never smoke syn again and suggest to anyone thinking about it to stay away!
So I’m at the beach and we always party. Ive drank, done lots of pills, and smoked weed. But tonight we had already been drinking liquor and somebody offered me k2 and I was drunk so I tried it. I only took a couple hits and I’m not even positive that I got a good one. I was already drunk so I couldn’t tell if I was high but i can’t sleep now and the back of my head hurts sooooo bad. Im scared that it will affect me long term. Please help,
I’ll help you out Tracy. People who give you pills and weed want to fuck you but don’t care if you die. Same with K2. Stop hanging around people who care more about you getting high so they can get blowjobs than whether or not you’ll live through the night.
You’re talking about popping pills like it’s drinking red bulls. You’re already an addict and your “boyfriend” is keeping you high so that when he runs out of money he can turn you out.
You’re welcome.
Hey, my name’s nick and i smoked the new version of spice called black lotus two days ago. For the past year, I have been smoking weed almost everyday (although recently I stopped because i grew out of this phase.) I had smoked spice 5 or 6 times throughout the year with no problems. But on wednesday(todays friday), i decided to smoke a bowl of that black lotus by myself and watch some chapelle’s show. about five minutes after i finished the bowl, i realised my heart was beating so fast my chest was hurting, and my breathing was deep and slowed (i didnt even notice this right away!). I sat in my bed and prayed til the pains and fast heart rate went away (went away in about10-15 minutes), then i took some deep breaths and watched chappele lol. but the rest of wednesday and part of yesterday i had a slightly faster pulse than usual and had kinda like a tightness in my chest. I was fatigued wednesday as well. I told my mom and she said i might have permanent heart damage, but shes not sure. It’s two days after, and i feel better, except when i take deep breaths my heart feels kinda like it pulpatates ever so slightly, not much tho. Does anybody have any idea if i caused permanent heart damage, or is it just going to wear off? I have definitely learned my lesson, and i wish i couldve seen this blog before i smoked on wednesday!
im 14 me and my buddy smoked a few bowls of k2 and since then i havent been able to sit down eat sleep or eat im so sick i didnt smoke much its been two days and i cant live like this the rest of my life or another second my fried is fine
Today I had the worst experience with spice. I have been smoking it regularly for about 3 months now, Ive never before had any issues except for the slight heart beat increase but it would always go away as fast as it came. However that was not the case today, I am positive I should of gone to the Emergency and I’m still not sure I’m okay. I took 3 hits of a bowl, just to calm my nerves, within seconds I could feel the high and I was feeling pretty good. That went away quickly I started feeling the heart race, which was unusual fast this time, I started feeling extremely week in the knees, thirsty, sweaty and sick as if I could just go in the bathroom and vomit. To keep myself awake I stayed up I refused to sit I leaned myself up against a wall, placed a big fan in front of me and managed to get a cold bottle of water. At one point I was seeing black spots as if I was going to pass out which scared me, so I went into the shower put it on freezing cold an just sat, which was way more affective than the fan/trying to help myself. This lasted over a hour, it kept getting worse I started feeling chest pains and my left arm started to throb and hurt, it was as if I could not get enough air inside my lungs. At the moment I’m feeling rather shitty, my left arm is achy my heart feels strange and I’m extremely paranoid trying to sleep, hopefully this feeling is gone in the morning. Sooo needless to say fuck this shit, this one bad experience has sealed the deal forever. Anyone who experiences this after using spice, just keep yourself calm get some water in you don’t stay still, and keep breathing! and don’t hesitate to go to the Emergency, If it would have gotten any worse I would have been there.
You should go now anyway – it sounds like a heart attack.
LMAO
I been smoking the wicked x spice for a minute now never had any problems until today…I woke up this morning with chest pains whenever I take deep breaths… glad I seen this link I’m throwing the rest of this shit away and never touching it again!!!
I smoke 100 % Pure Evil. I think it has to be the most potent spice that I can find. Within the first hit I’m super baked.. but then I start feeling this unwavering sense of paranoia. I start feeling sick to my stomach and I throw up. I haven’t felt the rapid heart beat or chest pains. I work at a job where I get randomly tested and I don’t drink. It’s a shame MJ isn’t legal.
Too bad you can’t just live life without getting high.
It fuckin blows my mind especially with all the people that experience heart issues, tht this stuff is still in stores. This shit ain’t just at your local headshop they’ve also got it at gas stations all around. Ive done my fair share of experimenting with difference drugs. Weeds always been my drug of choice I’m 21 and I’ve been roofing for a couple years which can really wear you down. It’s always nice to come home to smoke a bowl. Shit in highschool I would blow atleast 7 Ls a day. Once i started to grow up it wasn’t nearly as important to me as it was. I’ve smoke k2 before an it always just got me baked. At one point I smoked it frequently n bulit up a tolerance and that shit wouldn’t even get my high no more. Recently I’ve been smoking it here n there cuz I gett drunk tested every week due to a DUI charge. Yesterday I smoked a joint of it( at the most I’ll smoke 1 joint or bowl of this bullshit in a day) anyways I was all good. Today I woke up feelin fine I took some niacin cuz I was tryn to flush my system after the effect of the niacin wore off I decided to smoke a bowl of spice. After smoking I felt fine for about a minute an then my heart started fuckin racing literally racing that shit was just intense. I didn’t neccesarily feel week but I felt like my equilibrium was off alil bit. I was very close to calling 911 but I just kept tryn to calm myself down instead. Like fuck I’m only 21 I for sure thought I was gonna die wasn’t scare just thought it was the end for me. I mean fuck I did it to myself all I could do was think about all the people I love my family an friends. Thinking about all the things I should have done an the things I wish I could do. I live with my dad an my granparents during this fucked up episode I was in I went up stairs to call have my grandparents call an ambulance or some shit. But my grandfather ain’t doing to well n the doctors say he can have a heart attack at n e time. I made it about to the entrance of his room an thought about that an decided not to worry him. I then just laid down next to my dog an started petting her found myself apologizing to her for letting her nails grow so long an not giving her baths when she need them haha idk tho Pettin her calmed me down an next thing I know i was fine n then really hungry lol. I went downstairs punched a hole in the wall for being real mad at my self then I trashed the rest of that garbage they call spice. The people that make this shit know what kids are doing with that’s why theres so Many kinds out there now they no ain’t no body loves incense that much to pay 20 bucks for a bag. N if it really was intended for incense they would have some little dish to put the shake it. N it’s not like that shit stays cherries you Gotta keep lighting it. It’s just some sick fags tryn to make Money those mother fuckers don’t care any of us. They deserve to be fuckin curb stomped. After my experience today I’d love to run into the creator of this stuff. This needs to be takin off the shelves immediately
Hey guys, I smoked monkey funky a product from the bastards that make Red Nugz. Do not smoke it I’m pretty sure I had some sort of heart attack and 3 weeks after smoking I’m still having chest Pains and intense Paranoia…Something many of you have and are very scared about, I”m going to the doctors then the hospital for EKG and chest x-rays (Health care in Australia is cheaper than US) and will plan to make a you tube video to Properly understand what it did to me and what you can do to help yourself and take the next step to treatment. Stay tuned
Do not smoke this stuff. I smoked some that I liked for awhile but I think I may have suffered a heart attack. I had to call 911 and I need to go get tests to see if I have permanant heart damage. I understand that there are some brands that are fun to do but trust me it is not worth it.
DONT SHORTEN YOUR LIFE!
BY SMOKING K2!
Im 21 Years old, Very healthy, Active Work tons
of hours pr week. Let me tell you my story. I dont care what people say about how you must be weak or have prexisting problems to have heart damage from this crap. I was a high school track star. But about a year ago i tried a brand called K4. I thought i was dying immediatly. Me and my gf both laid in bed praying for our lives. Although the high was so terrible. It gave a brain altering addiction. So strong you can’t help but want it again. I went a few months without. Then thought what the hell. Some new k2 summit was out and it wasnt AS strong. I kind of enjoyed it. Untill i noticed it had been getting MUCH stronger… Then just 11 days ago. I smoked another bowel. after a few weeks without. And had CRAZY heart problems. It was beating faster than ever before. I walked in circles. trying to help my heart??lol Then both of my hand went NUMB COMPLETLY unitll i could have cut it off and not known it. I was TERRIfIED at this point. Just one button away from completing a 911 call. after 20 minz or so it slowed down i got feeling back. and went to sleep. But everyday since then ive been getting sharp pains in my upper left chest area.(HEART!) while rapid arm movements, Deep breaths, and somtimes for moments i wil get sharp pains with EVERY SINGLE BEAT. Im going to get a EKG This coming saturday. and pray to god its just a pulled muscle or somthing simple. But im afraid it isnt. I believe i have potential Heart Damage.
I feel VERY stpuid from this. I hope i didnt shorten my own life trying to get a lil 20min buzz. THIS IS MY WARNING TO ALL OF YOU!!!YOU ARE READING THIS BECAUSE SOMTHING IN YOUR MIND IS WORRIING YOU!!! JUST_DONT_DO_IT. You will soon regret it.
i also smoke the shit and i”ve done cocain lsd meth and a 20yr bud smoker but never felt like this i smoked k2 a yr and a half ago and have been on panic attack meds ever since it now has been a yr & a half later and i,m still on the meds and have panic attacks often i mean shit man i quit smoking pot cause of the shit so if ur reading this it”s a forreal bad shit and it will kill ur a55 so listen!i”ve been sober for damn near 2yrs now and still have the attacks & i”m only 31 but i guess thats why when we were younger or parents told us the harm that drugs would do so just say f$#k no from a true addict! hope for the best who are suffering the same feelings that i am and if any body that has gotten better from this let me know cause i don”t want to be on xanex the rest of my life!
To be fair if you’ve been a chronic drug user since 11 it’s doubtful K2 is the sole cause of your need to be on addictive drugs prescribed by some hack doctor. Have you tried a little sobriety and therapy?