Why Did Andrew Torres Die?

Andrew Torres died during a confrontation with police where he was tasered after becoming combative. Police had arrived on scene after Torres’ family had called authorities to have the man involuntarily committed. In the ensuing mayhem one officer was injured and both he and Torres were taken to the hospital where Torres expired.

Plenty of people get tased and don’t die so I’m going to go out on a limb and say there’s more to the story. Torres was said to be mentally ill but his behavior seems like that of a drug user:

Monday night’s incident wasn’t the first time Torres ran into trouble with police.

Two other incident reports state he’s been violent with officers in the past. In 2008, a report stated he pulled a knife on officers. During that incident, the report shows officers used a Taser then to subdue him.

In 2004 police arrested Torres in 2004 for assaulting a police officer in Washington, D.C.

Torres’ family said they’ve worked with NAMI to get help for him for years.

Fletcher Mann with NAMI said the family was at the “end of their rope.”

This isn’t the first time they’ve tried to commit Torres.

While police are looking at their Taser policy, the coroner’s office reported the cause of death is “still pending.”

The coroner is waiting for toxicology tests, results from a Taser analysis and other test results to make a final determination.

The “NAMI” referenced in the article is the National Alliance for Mental Illness, which is a left-wing advocacy organization that supports significant increases in public spending on the mentally ill (with money created from thin air I suppose) and a cultural shift where we start treating the mentally ill like a special interest group. In other words it’s an outreach program designed to milk votes from a population they hope to ghettoize and keep dependent on them. One of the things NAMI advocates is that rather than police deal with people they deem mentally ill there should be “crisis intervention teams” (paid for by higher taxes?) that would train police to talk them down.

That team would never actually put their own training into action for fear of being  stabbed to death by Torres who has a history of violence, but why let painful reality spoil leftist fantasy?

That’s an aside though. The toxicology results will be interesting, as I am sure many suspect Torres was on some sort of drug that effected his cardiovascular system. After all he’d been tased before so between then and now something had to have changed.

The vultures are circling this one already. NAMI is already pimping their services, and a host of anti-cop groups are organizing on the forums to start “demanding” justice, which I guess would have been to let Torres kill some innocent person as he got more and more out of control. But I’ll wait for the coroner’s investigation to be complete before making any judgment. Except this, cops have a right to defend themselves from people attacking them just like I do.

And I don’t tase people who are threatening me and have a history of getting stabby.

Comments

21 Responses to “Why Did Andrew Torres Die?”

  1. A. Gibson Solomons on August 10th, 2010 11:09 pm

    To politicize the death of a tormented man is beyond disgusting. Characterizing Andrew Torres, a lifelong resident of Greenville from a well respected family, as merely a dangerous derelict is irresponsible use of the public forum. Andrew and his family are known and appreciated throughout the city of Greenville.

    Your spin on an advocacy group for the mentally ill disparages the group as liberal (which I know is code for evil) because it seeks public funds. Where do you think police funding comes from? Tax dollars. Tax dollars paid for the tasers.

    Then you finish up your rush to uninformed judgment, flush with the self import of a NASCAR nostradamus, by condemning what you believe will be an uninformed rush to judgment. Either you are fantastic at satire or you fail to see your own hypocrisy.

    This is a tragic event. This is not a political rally and should be afforded the dignity it deserves.

  2. Rob Taylor on August 11th, 2010 4:17 am

    Can you read? I never said he was a derelict, but his CRIMINAL HISTORY which includes pulling a knife on some cops and assaulting one in D.C. does prove he’s dangerous, no?

    Your second point makes no sense. I disparage the group because they are using the mentally ill to make money and push an agenda, I’ve worked in non-profits, I’ve seen this show. And cops being paid for by taxes and political groups getting tax money are two different things, right?

    I’m sure the third paragraph is the kind of thing your lazy creative writing teacher pats you on the back for (and since I’m Black I find the NASCAR reference highly offensive, you sir are a racist)but again it makes no sense. How is it hypocritical to say that since a person was tased before and nothing happened that there must be some other factor involved in this death? Do you know what hypocrisy even means?

    If you thought it deserved dignity maybe you’d tell NAMI to stop injecting themselves into it in a fund-raising ploy.

  3. k. giles on August 11th, 2010 6:03 am

    Something had to change? How about this incident, he was tased SIX times! Where is your compassion
    for people? Schizoprenia affects people by causing auditory and visual hallucinations, and
    sure, maybe that is something that happens to drug users but for you to jump to the assumption maybe he was high?
    makes me cry. You, as well as Greenville co, need to do your research on the mentally-ill.
    The only good come from this, may be simply that Mr Torres will no longer suffer thru life with
    demoms controlling him, via a disease he did not ask for or cause. Poor man was torturted daily in life, and here you
    are smearing his name after his passing, suggesting drug-use…
    Let’s hope its an issue you never have to deal with, but you are devestatingly mis-informed about the mentally ill.
    They’re not all homeless. They’re from all walks of life. The only ones you hear about are the unmedicated, that DO end up
    homeless and become violent bc they have no support. We’re all human. Hope your judgements make you feel like a better writer.

  4. Rob Taylor on August 11th, 2010 7:44 am

    Again, I never said he was homeless. Obviously you morons are reading a comment somewhere that claims I said something I didn’t.

    I said cops have to do what they have to do. This guy assaulted one already and pulled a knife on another. Tasers aren’t magical and many people, specifically people who are high or mentally ill, resist tasers and can fight through the pain.

    Many people who are mentally ill self-medicate. I ma educated on this, while you’re a reflexive whiner.

    The funny thing is I didn’t see a bunch of you guys complaining when that cop got stabbed last week. Weird. It’s almost like you don’t care about cops getting hurt but wait for some incident to pretend they did something wrong.

  5. A.Gibson Solomons on August 11th, 2010 9:53 am

    I didn’t mean to back you into a corner by pointing out your mistakes with the result being you hurl more uninformed insults. I’m sorry for offending.

    For the record, the prior incident you keep referring to with a knife happened in his own home with police called by family to keep him from harming himself. The knife was not “pulled” on a police officer.

    In this instance, police knew what they were responding to. They knew he was mentally ill and they knew he was unarmed. Three policemen were sent in an obvious acknowledgement that physical struggle would be likely. Why else would they send three?

    Look, you started this site to champion cops and the lock everybody up mentality. We all know where you stand. Just voice your right wing agenda with some of the Christian grace that your party claims to have a monopoly on.

  6. Rob Taylor on August 11th, 2010 10:10 am

    I’m a Pagan myself so your “Christian grace” crap doesn’t factor into my judgment.

    You haven’t pointed out any mistakes, just pretended I said something I didn’t. I never claimed Torres was homeless or a derelict, just that he had a history of needing to be subdued, was dangerous to himself and others, and that since he had been tased before I’m curious as to if there is some other factor which caused him to die. Remember, he died a significant time after being tased, so it’s not like he was electrocuted.

    What does the fact that cops knew he was going to struggle have to do with anything? It seems like you’re claiming that cops should get beat down, take their lumps and keep their mouths shut. I guess that’s “left wing agenda” as is using this guys death to raise money for an organization that advocates political correctness over public safety.

    I do champion cops, because sans cops people like you would be dead in the streets because you can’t take care of yourselves. And yes, if someone has a history of violence I’d like to see them locked up. What a strange view of the world.

    Too bad I’m not as progressive as you and could sleep at night knowing innocent people were being victimized by violent predators.

  7. Amanda Moore Turner on August 11th, 2010 5:28 pm

    Wow, Rob. You seem to unravel just a little bit more with each posting. Looks like it’s time to find yourselves a new blogger, Dragnet.

  8. Rob Taylor on August 11th, 2010 6:12 pm

    explain how it’s unraveling? Is it “unraveling” to correct someone’s sanctimonious assumptions about my religion? Is it unraveling to point out that the complain they keep lodging is false, I’ve never said Torres was a derelict and I’m not making up the fact he was dangerous?

    Or is it unraveling to not be used as a virtual punching bag by spoiled rich White people who want to use the tragic end to a troubled life to make political points and feel good about themselves?

    And unlike lefty operations that raise money from non-profits to pay salaries I own the site and run the business of it myself. Now that you know I’m one of those evil small business people I’m sure you have some more venom to throw out. But before you claim I’m a racist, I’m Bi-racial just like Obama.

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  10. Bella Ann on November 30th, 2010 8:53 pm

    Once again as I sit here tonight thinking of our system it breaks my heart. I am the mother of a bi-polar adult child. Mental illness is heartbreaking in itself, but the stigma and treatment of it in our society today is beyond anything I can comprehend.
    When your loved one is in a crisis sometimes you need the police to help get them into the hospital. That seldom happens though. Usually they are treated as criminals, sent to jail, only to come home the following day? Sometimes they are put into solitary confinement, now isn’t that comforting to someone who is already terrified.
    “If” they are lucky enough to get to the er, they are released almost immediately as though everything is ok now?
    I very much need help tonight, but I learned the hard way not to call for help, because it only makes the situation ten times harder.
    I pray that the system will change because our jails are full of inmates who need medical care and understanding!

  11. Rob Taylor on November 30th, 2010 9:01 pm

    No jails are full of people who raped, maimed and murdered others. Mental illness or not the victims of the “adult child” must have justice. I know bi-polar people and none are assaulting people, or have a history of assaults like Torres did. It is an insult to law abiding mentally ill people to lump them in with criminals.

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  13. Todd Evans on June 10th, 2012 8:26 am

    Is this thread still active? Andrew was my best friend in Junior High School and High School. He was charismatic, smart, athletic, popular and a natural leader. We lost touch when I moved to Seattle in my twenties. I went looking for him online last year and found this. I felt as if I were living the last 2 minutes of STAND BY ME where the death of the character played by Phoenix is revealed. Living in Japan now, I feel helpless to pay my respects as I am sure Andrew would have paid me had this situaton been reversed. Rob, please be considerate of the human factor as you throw out your hypotheticals. Andrew was a lifelong resident of Greenville and a great man. He was sick, although on my life he never showed any sign of it in our formative years. Andrew was the best of us growing up. He deserves to be remebered that way

  14. Rob Taylor on June 10th, 2012 5:30 pm

    Had he killed the cop instead would you have written the same about him?

  15. Todd Evans on June 12th, 2012 10:11 am

    Again, consider the human factor as you throw out your hypotheticals. ” If he had” is not respobsible journalism. He fled and was tasrered 6 times. Obviously he didnt want to be institutionalized. The death was ruled a homicide. It was not ruled drug related as you hypothesized or suggested. How about taking my word for it, and acknowledging that this was unnecessary? Cops need to be prepard for everything , yes. its a tough job. But everything includes the situation where the man is actually NOT a criminal or a d bag. Thank you for ignoring the entirety of my post.

  16. Rob Taylor on June 12th, 2012 2:59 pm

    It’s “responsible journalism” to gloss over the fact that he had a knife and a history of violence? He didn’t “flee” he was in a house full of people he was threatening to kill and resisting arrest. People like you have encouraged Torres and people like him for years and then claimed his vicitms need sympathy. I’ve been shot at, jumped and had people try to murder me in one of the worst ghettos you’ve ever seen (where I grew up) and at the root of every one of those incidents is some White liberal telling thugs they have a right to do whatever they want and not pay the price. I have a lot of friends in the ground because someone like Torres – a guy who no one will step in and really help – was allowed o run the streets. You want sympathy for a violent criminal go somewhere else.

  17. Jerri on August 20th, 2012 12:24 pm

    I don’t understand what the family expected. They called the police because he was threatening them, and they couldn’t handle him. What did they expect the police to do, entice him to go with an ice cream cone or something? Everybody involved knew he was violent. This is just one of those unfortunate tragedies that occur with mental illness. Life is not fair. But when they called the police, when they got the involuntary commitment order, seems to me that they are the ones who are responsible. This is just an opportunity for the family to make money off of his death. And, just for all the armchair detectives, a ruling of homicide doesn’t mean it’s murder. The only rulings a coroner can use are 1)natural causes 2)accident 3)undetermined 4)suicide 5)homicide. And this was justifiable homicide. Had Andrew hurt or killed one of his family members and the police hadn’t Tasered him, you can bet the family would be suing the police on that, too, for “failure to protect” and “dereliction of duty”. The police had an involuntary commitment order, they HAD to arrest him. The police are not responsible for his schizophrenia, they are not responsible for his enlarged heart, they are not responsible for his violent behavior. They were doing their sworn duty by arresting him under the court-ordered commitment order. Lawsuits like this make me sick, it’s abuse of the court system.

  18. concerned citizen on August 21st, 2012 2:27 pm

    I am sure the family did not expect officers to tase him to death.They thought these officers who they were assured,knew his history would deal with him in a humane way.Not double tase him over 10 times and sit on him until his heart stopped.The police are suppose to be trained to deal with violent and threatening people,that is what they get paid to do,by us taxpayers .The taser company guidelines state they are not to be used on the mentally ill.This lawsuit I am sure is not a matter of money but principal.No homicide is justified when only one party is armed.He was hiding under his bed for Gods sakes!Their was 6 officers there,many alot bigger than Andrew.They never tried to subdue him.Serve and protect does not mean stun gun over and over,and over,and over,over,over,over,over,over,over,by 2 different officers at the same time with two different tasers, until dead. What part of excessive force do you not understand. 2 different stun guns over ten times is excessive.PERIOD

  19. Rob Taylor on August 21st, 2012 6:02 pm

    But shooting a guy in the leg with a 9mm wouldn’t be excessive according to you.

    The po,lice are trained to deal with violent people by subduing them – you want them to what? Fist fight them? Allow them to hurt the cops and bystanders?

    I can’t wait until some person is attacking you and you and police show up after this suit. When they can’t tase him and won’t shoot them it’ll be awesome when you’re getting beat down and they’re trying to hold him back.

  20. concerned citizen on August 22nd, 2012 8:16 am

    At least he would still be alive!I can defend myself.I have never called the cops,and never will.It sounds like you have anger management issues.Go back to the shooting range!You have as much business having a website as these officer have still being cops.

  21. Rob Taylor on August 22nd, 2012 5:01 pm

    You think it’s a given that people shot in the leg will survive? You don’t think people shot in the leg bleed out all the time?

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